qwen4exp: direct reads for the lazy PLE table (>2x prefill performance improvement on GB10) - #28136
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Each cold PLE row demand-faults a 4 KiB page for ~90 bytes of data, capping cold diverse-text prefill at 218-360 tok/s vs ~785 warm on GB10. All n-gram row indices of a ubatch are known host-side before the graph runs, so under the new LLAMA_LAZY_MODE_DIRECT (--lazy-mode on-direct) they are staged into an input tensor with sorted, deduplicated, parallel pread()s and dequantized exactly like ggml_get_rows; downstream kernels unchanged, table stays on disk. Cold diverse prefill on qwen3.8-flash-next: 542-741 tok/s (2.0-3.1x, within ~6% of warm); warm, decode and greedy outputs bit-identical.
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I independently tested The measurements below use a build with instrumentation-only changes to record With the ordinary lazy mmap path, the cold PLE work reproduced the behavior I had previously localized independently: 207,913 major faults occurred inside the PLE With the direct-read path, PLE-related major faults were effectively eliminated: 43 process-wide major faults with one direct-read worker and 77 with the PR-default worker count, versus ~208k with mmap. I also ran the direct reader with a single worker to separate the explicit-read path itself from parallelism:
The one-worker direct path was only ~1.15x faster than the serialized mmap path, while the PR-default 32 dedicated read workers reduced the stage wall by a further ~6.6x. Per-row read service time rose from 52.5 µs at one worker to 211.2 µs at 32, but aggregate read service divided by stage wall corresponds to ~26x effective read concurrency. So on this system the dominant gain comes from exposing substantial I/O concurrency, despite higher per-read latency with many concurrent read workers. Note the counters are not 1:1 — the mmap figure counts major faults while the direct figures count row reads, and the PR dedups per ubatch rather than globally. As a separate causal check with a different implementation, preloading the exact PLE hot set (208,771 pages / 815.5 MiB, derived from the gathered row indices) eliminated 207,488 / 207,488 PLE-loop major faults and reduced the same PLE-local cold cost from 17.9 s to 0.35 s, against a warm floor of ~0.16 s. That independently supports cold sparse PLE backing acquisition as the bottleneck. I did not observe a measurable PLE-local warm regression with the PR-default configuration (~154.6 ms direct vs ~154.0 ms mmap in this test; the measurement boundaries are not exactly identical). End-to-end prompt time is reported only as a reference on this machine because the 72.4 GB model substantially exceeds 16 GB VRAM and whole-request timing is highly sensitive to unrelated model/page-cache residency. |
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Independent test on an unusual but real low-end serving config: 2× Xeon E5-2620 (Sandy Bridge, no AVX2/BMI2/FMA), 15 GB RAM, and 8 GPUs (2× RTX 3090 + 6× CMP 90HX) all behind PCIe Gen2 x4. The model is Qwen3.8-Flash-Next I patched this PR onto my tree and compared
That is ~+37% cold and ~+25% warm prefill on this box — smaller than the >2x seen on GB10, which I'd attribute to the fast NVMe already masking part of the demand-paging cost, but very consistent across repeats. Decode at 60K context is unchanged within noise (15.7–19.2 t/s in both modes). Two notes from porting:
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For Qwen3.8-Flash-Next, I've been confused about the very inconsistent prefill speeds. A simple benchmark would show 700+ tok/s, so then I would start a real task, and suddenly I'm only seeing 300 tok/s. Very frustrating. This PR yields a 2x to 3x improvement in real world use, at least in my testing on my DGX Spark.
I spent a few hours this evening digging into it. Once again, the answer is
mmap. It's alwaysmmap. I really wish Nvidia would fix whatever is going on there. The simple prefill benchmark I had been running used a lot of repeated tokens, so there was very little PLE data needed, which made prompt processing fast. On real world inputs, suddenly quite few more PLE reads were needed, which caused the performance to slow way down due tommap.I haven't tested this on any other systems, but maybe these changes are actually broadly beneficial for PLE performance?
mmapeven when well-behaved is going to cause quite a bit of over-read: likely several kilobytes of wasted reads for every ~100 bytes of useful data.This PR is a very 'direct' solution to the problem I've been seeing. In an ideal world, maybe this would even be handled by something more elegant like
io_uring. But, this works, and I tried to keep the patch as small as it reasonably could be.In my testing, this boosts performance on real world input text from about 300 tok/s up to around 750 or 800 tok/s on DGX Spark, which is far better, without requiring the PLE to be pinned to RAM.
I wanted to make this new
on-directthe default behavior for GB10 owners, but I decided there wasn't an obvious way to do that which wouldn't be controversial in PR review. Maybe if other people test this PR and find that it helps on a broader range of systems, then this could become the default 'on' mode for all supported systems, with the mmap path being an alternative/fallback option.Requirements